Ah Quon’s story has been documented in numerous articles and an ILWU oral history project. So instead of asking the usual questions, I wanted to know what gave Ah Quon the strength to speak out and overcome the challenges that she has faced. Her answers provide a first-hand account of history and a few lessons in courage. Here are the highlights.
Me: Have you felt vilified?
AQ: …(After the 1951 arrest of ILWU regional leader Jack Hall and six other locals accused of being Communists under the Smith Act) I didn’t receive any death threats, but I used to have friends who used to walk across the street so that they wouldn’t have to talk with me. … And my kids used to have dinner with us and say, ‘Mommy, what is a Commie rat?’ What are you talking about? ‘Oh, the kids in school say I’m a Commie rat.’ And both my kids at that time were at the University Laboratory School. I remember that it was during that period when they wouldn’t allow me to run for PTA office. …
Me: What did you tell (your kids)?
AQ: I would tell them exactly what was going on in the political situation. And (“Commie rat”) was an epithet that was used for people whom they felt they could not trust. You know, what can you say to a 7-, 8-, 9-year-old kid which would make sense? …
Many times, you think, ‘Oh God, what fools these people are.’ Well, what could we do? What could we do? Basically, we protected the kids as much as we tried to, took them out, fed them, clothed them, went out and did things together to show them that we were still a family. That it didn’t matter. That there were lots of other people who were suffering the same things. …
Me: You were never afraid?
AQ: No, hell no. I remember … there was an FBI agent who came and talked to us, and wanted to know, ‘Hey, is there any possibility of this, that or the other thing happening?’
We moved to St. Louis Heights and (a family) which had a home catty corner to ours started a petition. … They said (the loan company) should not sell the property to us because it would lower real estate values. Well, (that company) wasn’t interested so much as they were interested in getting the down payment and the monthly mortgage payments, so they didn’t do anything about it. Interestingly enough, (the woman) who started the petition moved out two years after we left, and she sold her house, we learned, for twice what she had paid for it.
Me: You brought the property values up. (Laughs.)
AQ: Yeah … The other interesting thing was that the people next door to us, with whom I had known because I had gone to school with the woman of that household, she told me afterwards that both she and her husband, who worked at Pearl Harbor, were approached by the FBI and asked to please write down all the car numbers of automobiles that stopped at our house. They never told us this until several years after the Smith Act trial had been settled. And we used to work in the yard together, plant the same plants, and all that kind of stuff. …
Me: Knowing all these things are happening, what gives you the courage to speak out?
AQ: I don’t think we even thought about it. … It was kind of a defiance and knowing that other people were going through the same thing.
Me: There are people like me … I have opinions on certain things, but I don’t feel like I’m smart enough to speak out or I’m …
AQ: It’s not that you’re not smart enough. It’s whether or not you feel that there is a time at which someone has to take a stand in the interest of keeping the body politic alive. In the interest of civil liberties being kept alive. …
You don’t have to take a position on everything. You take a position on those things which matter to you. And when you do that, that’s fine. You give other people who are interested in the same thing as you are interested in, the courage to go on. That’s the important thing.
‘Cause individually, we can’t really do a lot. But as a group, that’s the important thing. And that’s why the ILWU was successful. We were able to bring together all members of a group who believed that they were being exploited, not only under martial law, but also by the employers who were able to take advantage of martial law, hire them out and keep the proceeds, and not give it to the workers. ...
It doesn’t matter what color I am, they did it to all of us. Then, as a group, you are able to get the kind of strength and courage and power that you would not have as one. It’s like this alone [holds up one finger] is different from this [forms a fist], you see.
Me: Could you name some who might be able to turn things around (for labor today)?
AQ: I don’t know them. The thing is, you make use of the people in your union if you have one. And you train them, you educate them, you make them realize what the working conditions are, so that they will take the lead. ...
Outsiders like me don’t amount to a hill of beans. After a while, I die off, and they will say, ‘Who the hell is she?’ or ‘Who the hell is he?’ In other words, the leadership has to come largely from the group that has organized the workers. …
Me: The most important thing for a young person today, you would think, is to get an education?
AQ: My feeling is that it is important for him to get a good education, which is an education that will allow him to think about what is happening in the world, in our community—whether it’s good, bad or indifferent. And, does it therefore turn him to a situation where he says, ‘I’m gonna do something about it.’